INCITS/PL22 Minutes of Meeting #2 

August 19th, 2008

ITI

1250 Eye Street, Washington D.C.

Document: PL22/08-0013

Attendance: 

Voting members:

1. Blue Pilot Consulting Inc., John Benito

2. CERT CC, Robert Seacord [David Svoboda]

3. Dinkumware Ltd, P. J. Plauger [Tana Plauger]

4. Hewlett-Packard Company, Rich Peterson [PremAnand Rao]

5. Intel Corporation, Dave Thewlis

6. Karlins' Korner, Bob Karlin

7. Keaton Consulting, David Keaton

8. Linux Foundation, Nick Stoughton

9. Microsoft Corporation, Rex Jaeschke

10. Mitre Corporation, Jim Moore

11. Nagle, Dan Nagle

12. Plum Hall Inc., Thomas Plum

13. Saint Joseph's University, Jonathan Hodgson

14. Sun Microsystems, [Douglas Walls, Stephen Clamage]

Others.

  1. IEEE, Malia Zaman

  2. Silverhill Systems Inc, Randy Meyers

  3. Sally Seitz, SC 22 Secretariat

  4. Joyce Tokar, WG 9 Convener

1. Opening activities

The second meeting of INCITS/PL22 began at 10:00 am, presided by Thomas Plum, Chairman.

1.1 Opening comments:  Our primary business is to prepare for SC22 in Milan and certain PL22 organizational matters. 

1.2 Introduction of participants: Everyone introduced themselves.

1.3 Appointment of recording secretary: Mr. Hodgson agreed to take minutes.

1.4 Host facilities: As the site was familiar to everyone, these were well known.

1.5 Procedures for this meeting: Mr. Plum tested the efficacy of taking roll call votes with the conferencing system and it was determined that votes could be conducted in this way. Mr. Plum noted that the INCITS anti-trust guidelines are located at http://www.incits.org/inatrust.htm.

1.6 Identification of voting members: The existence of a quorum was established. Ten members being present, a quorum was established. [Note: two additional members arrived later.]

1.7 Approval of previous minutes [PL22/08-0001, April 2008]: A motion moved by Mr. Jaeschke seconded by Mr. Nagle to approve the minutes as distributed was passed unanimously 10/0/0/4/14.

1.8 Review of Action items from previous minutes: All action items have been completed.

1.9 Approval of agenda [PL22/08-0009]: Mr. Stoughton moved and Mr. Karlin seconded a motion to approve the agenda as published, with the following additions:

The motion was passed (11/0/0/3/14), unanimously.

2. Review of the SC 22 plenary agenda

Promotion of OWG Vulnerability to a WG.

Mr. Benito addressed the question of the promotion of OWGV to a WG. He sees no problems. Ms.Seitz indicated that Steve Michel (Canada) is supportive. Mr. Jaeschke indicated that he would introduce a resolution to this effect with Mr. Benito as acting convener.

Mr. Plum indicated that he intended to take an omnibus roll call on items 2.1 - 2.5.

2.1 Determine US position re changing status of OWGV to full WG Including an endorsement of Mr. Benito as Convener

2.2 WG 14 Convener - appointment of Mr. John Benito

2.3 WG 17 Convener - appointment of Mr. Jonathan Hodgson

2.4 WG 21 Convener - appointment of Mr. P. J. Plauger

2.5 OWGV (or new WG23) Convener - appointment of Mr. John Benito (in the event that the motion to upgrade the OWGV fails).

Motion to approve 2.1 - 2.5 proposed by Mr. Nagle, seconded by Mr. Keaton passed (11/0/0/3/14)

2.6 Editors. Mr. Stoughton will email additional editor information for Linux to Ms. Seitz. Mr. Karlin will email an updated list to Ms. Seitz also.

2.8 Activity reports: Mr. Benito has submitted a U.S. national body report (PL22-08-007)

Comments on the Agenda. Mr. Jaeschke ( SC 22 ) presented the SC 22 agenda.

New Work Items: As of now no new work items are expected.

Activity reports: Mr. Jaeschke has submitted a U.S. national body report (N3959).

Liaisons: These are listed in the agenda

JTC1 Subgroups:. Mr. John Hill attended the recent Ad Hoc Directives meeting, nothing relevant to SC22 was raised.

The US will caucus in Milan on the choice of an SC 22 rep.

Working group issues.

Fortran has split co-arrays into a core (Standard part) and a TR.

Cobol Ann Bennet will not attend. Mr. Benito will represent Cobol. Japan has submitted a document, they would like to participate in the technical work (currently PL22.4 does the work). Mr. Jaeschke hopes to work up a proposal. Other WGs suggest models.

Ada. Ms. Joyce Tokar. There will be a reiteration of a withdrawal request. The group is behind on update.

Binding techniques.

C Mr. Benito alerted the group that the WG has chosen to do a revision.

Lisp is essentially in maintenance

Prolog Mr. Hodgson indicated that he hopes for a ballot on the TR immediately after the December WG meeting

C++ Mr. Plauger will represent C++ for Herb Sutter. WG21 is requesting termination of two items and intends to advance three other items. At its meeting in San Francisco there will be a push for a CD on C++.

There was some discussion of how PL22 members could access the C++ report. (The report was subsequently emailed to the PL22 reflector.)

Mr. Plauger made a motion to approve the requests in the C++ report. (1.2.2 and 1.2.3) and Mr. Stoughton seconded . The motion passed 11/0/0/3/14

Future Meetings. The 2009 plenary will be in Delft (Netherlands). Mr. Jaeschke reported that he had invited four countries (Spain, Denmark, NZ, Argentina) to host future meetings.

Editors: Mr. Jaeschke indicated that he will have some suggestions. These will not rise to the level of a directives issue. Richard Cook from ISO will be at SC 22.

Other SC 22 business.

No adhocs are planned.

3. Other Business

3.1 TC Symposium support.

Mr. Plum and Mr. Benito were at the symposium in Las Vegas.

  1. INCITS is satisfied with the way that C and C++ WGs work. Procedures on SC22 are headed towards an even tighter adherence to document distribution requirements.
    Action item Mr. Benito and Mr. Plum will prepare a document to NCITS on Access to SharePoint for members of PL22
  2. NCITS email KAVI site for votes etc. Three TC's are pioneering this. An effective date for full rollout is as yet undetermined.
  3. TG chairs will not be permitted to go to the Symposium. (April 20-21)

3.2

The US delegation for the Stuttgart OWG or WG Vulnerability: Tom Plum (HOD) , Dan Nagle, Jim Moore.

Mr. Benito moved and Mr. Jaeschke seconded a motion to approve this delegation. The motion passed (11/0/0/3/14)

3.3 Status of IEEE 754R. This will be published on August 29th.

3.4 Establish liaison with INCITS/CS1 (CS1 approved a liaison relationship with PL22 at their recent meeting on July 23-24, 2008. Jim Moore is the point of contact for CS1.)

3.5 Establish liaison with SC22 Secretariat (Sally Seitz, sseitz@ansi.org)

Mr. Plum will check on the reasons why this liaison was requested by INCITS.

Mr. Jaeschke moved to approve liaisons seconded by Mr. Hodgson. The motion passed. (11/0/0/3/14)

3.6 Five Year Maintenance Review for Programming Language APT (INCITS/08-1016, re-distributed as (PL22/08-0012) )

Mr. Walls moved and Mr. Plauger seconded the following motion:

As this is outside the scope of PL22 but noting that the language is still in use, we decline to make a recommendation.

The motion passed (6/4/2/2/14)

3.7 Determine the point of contact from INCITS PL22 to

- IEEE as the US TAG to SC 22/WG 9 TAG Ada: Mr. Nagle.

- INCITS L2 (the US TAG for SC 22 projects ISO/IEC TR 10176, ISO/IEC TR 11017 and ISO/IEC 14651): Mr. Plum.

- INCITS L8 (the US TAG for SC 22 project ISO/IEC 11404): Mr. Benito

Mr. Stoughton moved and Mr. Nagle seconded a resolution to approve this list. The motion passed unanimously (12/0/0/2/14)

3.8 Updating of the Web site:

  1. Mr. Benito's name will be added to Web site as vice chair.
  2. Mr. Benito agreed to hand out document numbers.
  3. A manual request to Debbie Spittle is required to update the site.

3.9 Input regarding subject matter of disbanded TGs.

  1. Several TGs have disappeared, but we need access to expertise. The officers of PL22 should keep track of individuals available for information.

4. Administration

4.1 Review of decisions reached: Done.

4.2 Review of action items:

  1. Mr. Benito and Mr. Plum will prepare a document to INCITS on Access to SharePoint for members of PL22.
  2. Mr. Plum will check on the reason for the liaison with SC22 Secretariat.

4.3 Approve the delegation to the SC 22 plenary:

Mr. Hodgson proposed and Mr. Nagle seconded a motion that the delegation to the SC 22 plenary be Mr. Plum, Mr. Plauger, Mr. Stoughton, and Mr. Moore.

Approval was unanimous. (12/0/0/2/14)

4.4 Appoint Head of Delegation: Mr. Plum appointed himself Head of Delegation.

4.5 Recognitions: By unanimous consent, PL22 thanked:

a) Plum Hall for the teleconferencing facility; and
b) ITIC for the meeting facility.

5. Adjournment

Mr. Nagle moved and Mr. Keaton seconded the motion to adjourn.

The meeting adjourned at 2:36pm Eastern Daylight Time.

Note: The next PL22 meeting will be scheduled in the coming months based on the SC22 schedule.