INCITS/V2 Technical Committee
Information Technology Access Interfaces

September 3, 2004

Reply to: Joe Roeder, V2 Secretary
Email: jroeder@nib.org

DOC: V2/04-0032
MINUTES of INCITS V2 PLENARY MEETING #15

Meeting Location:

This meeting was hosted by The Center on Disabilities of the California State University at Northridge, California.

Meeting Dates:

Monday, March 15, 2004 - 9:00 AM - 6:00 PM (PT) Los Angeles Airport Marriott,  Capriccio Room,  Lobby Level, Los Angeles, California.

Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 9:00 AM - 6:00 PM (PT) Los Angeles Airport Marriott,  Capriccio Room,  Lobby Level, Los Angeles, California.


 

1. Call to Order.

Bill LaPlant, V2 Chair, called the meeting to order and welcomed the members and guests.

 

2. Introduction of attendees.

Ref:

INCITS/ V2 List of Member Organizations < V2/SD01a >

 

V2 members

Charles Sheppard, Dept of Commerce/NIST, P
Chris Hofstader, Freedom Scientific, P
Alfred S. Gilman, Free Desktop Accessibility Working Group (FDAWG), P
Shari Trewin, IBM, P
Katie Haritos-Shea, Katie Haritos-Shea Consultants, P/ Chair INCITS-V2
Joe Roeder, NIB, P/ Secretary, INCITS-V2
Ed Price, RERC on Mobile Wireless Technologies for Persons with Disabilities, P
Gregg Vanderheiden, Trace Research & Development Center, P/ acting Chair INCITS-V2
Gottfried Zimmermann, Trace Research & Development Center, A/ IR INCITS-V2
Bill LaPlant, Trace Research & Development Center, 2nd A/ Chair INCITS-V2

 

A quorum exists and 9 member organizations are represented.

 

Observers and guests

Perrine Roucoux, Dept of Commerce/NIST
Tatsuo Seki, JSA, seki@jsa.or.jp t81 3-3592-1408
Reiko Ashidate, Microsoft (Japan), reikuo@microsoft.com t81 424-31-7702
Kazuya Hosoda, Microsoft (Japan), t-kazhos@microsoft.com t81 424-31-7703
Matthew Harris, Morpiteum, mharris@morpheum.com t61 409-00-8633

 

3. Approval of the Agenda.

Ref:

Revised Draft Agenda for meeting #15 of V2, 3/15-16/2004 < V2/04-0010r2 >

 

The following modifications were made to the agenda:

The agenda as revised was approved with unanimous consent.  See attachment, "Final agenda for plenary #15 of V2, 1/14-15/2004".

 

4. Approval of the Minutes for plenary meeting #12 and #13.

Ref:

Draft Minutes for INCITS/V2 plenary meeting #12 of V2, 6/17-18/2003) < V2/03-0067 >
Draft Minutes for INCITS/V2 plenary meeting #13 of V2, 10/7-9/2003 < V2/03-0100 >
Draft Minutes for plenary meeting #14 of INCITS/V2, 1/14-15/2004 < V2/04-0008 >

 

The minutes for INCITS-V2 plenary meeting #12 were approved with unanimous consent.

 

The minutes for INCITS-V2 plenary meeting #14 were approved with unanimous consent.

 

The minutes for plenary #13 are not finished. Consideration of these minutes will be on the agenda for plenary #16.

 

5. Review of action items.

Ref:

V2 ACTION ITEMS < V2/01-SD-03 >

 

Without objection, the review of action items was bypassed.

 

6. Administrative Reports.

6.1 Officer Remarks.

6.1.1 Chair.

6.1.1.1 call for chairman for V2.

 

LaPlant said his application for chair for V2 was not approved. Following discussion on the matter it was agreed that the chair, the vice chair and the IR will look into the concerns over the approval of a V2 chair and also seek guidance from INCITS leadership regarding V2 participation with SC 35.

 

ACTION ITEM (LaPlant Vanderheiden Zimmermann) Look into the concerns over the approval of a V2 chair and also seek guidance from INCITS leadership regarding V2 participation with SC 35.

 

6.1.2 Vice Chair.

 

No remarks.

 

6.1.3 International Representative.

 

No remarks.

 

6.1.4 Secretary.

 

No remarks.

 

6.2 Roll Call of Members in Jeopardy Due to Failure to Attend Meetings.

 

No action.

 

6.3 New member recruiting.

 

Discussion for this item is transferred to V2C and V2P.

 

6.4 INCITS Training.

 

The last INCITS training for V2 was during plenary #13. The V2 vice chair will find out what is new in the INCITS training and share this with the committee.

 

7. U.S. TAG to ISO/IEC JTC 1 SC 35 User Interfaces Sub Committee.

Ref:

SC 35 User Interfaces < http://forum.afnor.fr/afnor/WORK/AFNOR/GPN2/Z62A/index.htm >

 

7.1 U.S. TAG to ISO/IEC JTC 1 SC35 HOD Report.

7.1.1 U.S. Member Body Action Items from SC 35 Resolutions (03/12/05).

Ref:

IR Report at plenary #15 < V2/04-0015 >
International Tickler on Twiki (password required) < http://www.itl.nist.gov/twiki/bin/view/NCITSV2/InternationalTickler >

 

LaPlant said he elected not to send out the letter ballots [per the last plenary] because he did not have the finalized draft documents to attach to them. Procedurally, V2 should not have voted without having all the materials on which the ballot is based.

 

Zimmermann described the working groups of SC35, the principal players and their projects. He provided a link to the SC35 members web site and any V2 members wishing to visit the site should contact Zimmermann for the ID and password to use.

 

Zimmermann spoke about the role of V2 regarding SC35 and about his duties as the international representative for V2. To manage action items related to SC35 he created an international tickler < http://www.itl.nist.gov/twiki/bin/view/NCITSV2/InternationalTickler > on Twiki.  The IR report is the current international tickler page on Twiki, captured for the plenary.

 

VIEW IR Report at plenary #15

 

Following discussion of the SC35 activities and the INCITS scope for V2, the following motion was proposed.

 

MOTION (Vanderheiden, Price) to withdraw the request to INCITS to be the U.S. TAG to all SC35 working groups.

Without objection the motion passed with unanimous consent.

 

ACTION ITEM (Zimmermann) communicate to INCITS that V2 withdraws request to be U.S. TAG for all SC35 working groups.

 

Zimmermann asked for a vote on the remaining 3 items that require a V2 vote but there were not enough members present to satisfy the two thirds rule.

 

MOTION (Vanderheiden, Price) to table the vote on the SC35 IR items until the following day.

Without objection, the motion passed with unanimous consent.

 

The IR action items were taken up again on day 2 of the plenary.

 

MOTION (Zimmermann) that with respect to FDIS 11581-5 of SC35, V2 Recommends to INCITS:

  1. V2 recognizes the general value of having a standardized set of tool icons on an international level, as outlined by FDIS 11581-5.
  2. However, it should always be possible for an application to use different icons for specific user groups, if this makes the underlying function more accessible to them.
  3. As with earlier standards and standard drafts related to icons and functions, FDIS 11581-5 fails to adequately address the standardization of labels and functions which is necessary from an accessibility and multi-modality point of view. This has been acknowledged by SC35 at its last plenary in Paris, and the US have been asked to help in amending these standards, in particular ISO/IEC 11581-1. See resolutions 3, 4 and 24 of the SC35 plenary in Paris, in document SC35N0544.
  4. V2 recognizes that FDIS 11581-5 is not in its main focus, and that none of V2's project proposals are directly related to FDIS 11581-5. Also, V2 does not currently have a broad representation of US industry that is directly affected by FDIS 11581-5. Therefore, V2 feels that is not in a position to recommend a vote to INCITS with regard to FDIS 11581-5.

The motion was put to a roll call vote and passed by 9-0-0-8 (yes-no-abstain-not present).

 

MOTION (Zimmermann) that the V2 officers seek guidance from the INCITS leadership regarding V2's vote on PDTR 19764 and PDTR 15440. In the absence of guidance from INCITS, V2 abstains from the letter ballots. In addition, V2 will suggest to drop the second paragraph of section 10 which is referencing the Universal Remote Console standard. Also, V2 will provide a more detailed explanation to SC35 distinguishing the use cases of URC vs. keyboard pluggability.

The motion was put to a roll call vote and passed by 9-0-0-8 (yes-no-abstain-not present).

 

ACTION ITEM (LaPlant Zimmermann) talk to Yves to explain what is going on

 

7.2 ISO/IEC JTC 1 SC36 Information Technology for Learning, Education, and Training.

Ref:

ISO-IEC JTC1 SC36 Home Page < http://jtc1sc36.org/ >

 

No report.

 

7.3 ISO/IEC JTC 1 SC25 WG1 Home Electronic Systems.

Ref:

ISO-IEC JTC1 SC25 WG1 Home Page http://hes-standards.org/

 

No report.

 

7.4 ISO TC 154 (Metadata) & ISO TC 159 (Ergonomics.

 

No report.

 

7.5 JTC1 ad hoc on web services.

 

Haritos-Shea said ISO IEC JTC1 put together a study group to determine if they should be involved in standards activities for web services. At their February meeting it was decided there is a role for ISO Web services is a framework and there needs to be coordination. For background information, Haritos-Shea gave a reference for the whitepaper "BusinessWebServicesScorecard" <http://www.commerceone.com/analyst/BusinessWebServicesScorecard.pdf>. She noted several areas (such as definition languages and semantic definitions) where V2 may have some interest. business web services scorecard http://searchwebservices.techtarget.com/whitepaperPage/0,293857,sid26_gci905936,00.html

 

8. Review of Related Activities.

8.1 Web Accessibility Initiative.

Ref:

Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Home Page < http://www.w3.org/WAI/ >

 

No report.

 

8.2 IEEE P1621 Standard for User Interface Elements in Power Control of Electronic Devices Employed in Office/Consumer Environments.

Ref:

IEEE 1621 home page < http://eetd.LBL.gov/Controls/1621/1621index.html >

 

No report.

 

8.3 Universal Plug and Play Forum.

Ref:

UPnP Forum < http://www.upnp.org/ >
 

No report.

 

8.4 other.

8.4.1 Metadata.

8.4.1.1 Dublin Core.

 

No report.

 

8.4.1.2 INCITS L8 Metadata.

 

No report.

 

8.4.2 XForms.

 

No report.

 

8.4.3 Smart Space.

 

No report.

 

8.4.4 INCITS M1, T4, B10, JTC1 SC37.

 

No report.

 

8.4.5 OASIS User Interface Markup Language.

 

No report.

 

8.4.6 Consumer Electronics Show -CES.

 

No report.

 

8.4.7 Microsoft new initiative re UP&P.

 

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9. Presentations.

9.1 Technical presentations.

 

There were no technical presentations.   

 

9.2 Ad hoc task group reports.

9.2.1 V2A - AIAP-URC Editing.

Ref:

Draft V2 docs presented by V2A at plenary #15 (03/14-15/2004) < V2/04-0034 >

 

Trewin said the final draft documents just posted captured all the comments from the last plenary. A couple of the changes are more than editorial and need to be discussed

 

Zimmermann review the important changes.  The final documents for the letter ballots are the following:

VIEW URC1ReadMe < V2/04-0018 >
VIEW V2-URC < V2/04-0019 >
VIEW V2-UIS < V2/04-0021 >
VIEW V2-PT < V2/04-0023 >
VIEW V2-TPS < V2/04-0025 >
VIEW V2-RD < V2/04-0027 >

   

LaPlant said for the 30-day letter ballots, all negative comments need to be addressed before the documents can be forwarded to INCITS. The two thirds rule applies to the letter ballot on releasing the documents to INCITS for public comment.

 

 

9.2.3 V2G - Glossary/scenarios.

 

No report.

 

9.2.4 V2M - Metadata.

 

No report.

 

9.2.5 V2S - Security.

 

Vanderheiden led a discussion on security.

 

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9.2.6 V2P - Promotion.

 

Vanderheiden led a discussion on dissemination and promotion.

 

xx

 

10. Discussion of tasks and priorities.

10.1 Working Sessions.

 

There was discussions about the panel that V2 will be presenting on Friday morning.

 

Zimmermann and Roucoux talked about the prototype efforts.

 

xx

 

11. Pending Items.

11.1 Future directions.

 

No report.

 

11.2 V2 Web Site.

 

No report.

 

11.3 Projects.

Ref:

Request for INCITS EG review of V2 Approval of 5 projects <V2/04-0013>
Notification of Five Newly Approved Project Proposals in Technical Committee V2 <V2/04-0029>

 

Following plenary 14, the chair requested INCITS review of the V2 approval for 5 new projects corresponding to the 5 draft specification.

 

VIEW Request for INCITS EG review of V2 Approval of 5 projects

 

INCITS approved the 5 new V2 projects and assigned INCITS Project Number 1678 through 1682.

 

VIEW Notification of Five Newly Approved Project Proposals in Technical Committee V2

 

11.4 Vote to submit the latest version of the draft V2-URC standard to INCITS.

 

With the final edits for the draft documents completed, the chair will issue 5 letter ballots for V2 to authorize releasing the drafts to INCITS.

 

A news release for each of the 5 project needs to be prepared within 7 days and forwarded to Lynn Barra.

 

ACTION ITEM (Vanderheiden) prepare press releases for each of the 5 projects.

 

A vote on withdrawing the original V2 project is deferred.

 

12. New Items.

 

MOTION (Vanderheiden, Price, ) that V2 directs the Chair to thank the CSUN Center on Disability conference management staff for their generosity in hosting V2plenary #15.

Without objections the motion passed with unanimous consent.

 

MOTION (Vanderheiden, Price) that V2 requests the Chair to appoint a liaison to CEA in accordance with INCITS procedures.

Without objections the motion passed with unanimous consent.

 

MOTION (Vanderheiden, Price) that ad hoc V2A is established for the purpose of developing responses to comments on the 5 projects that might be provided in response to the V2 letter ballots, provided in response to any INCITS letter ballots and/or provided in response to any public review that takes place before the next plenary; that V2A maintain a running log of edits and begin looking at separating normative and informative sections on the draft documents; and that Trewin chair V2A.

Without objections the motion passed with unanimous consent.

 

MOTION (cheppard, price) that ad hoc V2P is established to work on strategy, to publicize the activities of Ve, to recruit new membership, to further interest in implementation, etc.; and that Vanderheiden chair V2P.

Without objections the motion passed with unanimous consent.

 

MOTION (Haritos-Shea, Sheppard) that ad hoc V2I be established for implementation, chaired by Zimmermann, and with a mailing list reflector at the NIST facility.

Without objections the motion passed with unanimous consent.

 

MOTION (Vanderheiden, Haritos-Shea) that V2C, the V2 managers ad hoc, be reestablished and empowered to act on behalf of the V2 plenary between the end of plenary 15 and the start of plenary 16. and that the Chair of V2 be the chair of V2C.

 

Without objections the motion passed with unanimous consent.

 

13. Future Meeting.

13.1 July, 2004, NIST, Gaithersburg, MD (Plenary #16).

 

(Note date correction)  Plenary 16 will be on June 14-15, 2004, at NIST, Gaithersburg, MD.

 

13.2 October, 2004, Trace, Madison, WI (Plenary #17)

 

Plenary 17 will be on October 4-5, 2004, at Trace, Madison, WI.

 

ACTION ITEM (Vanderheiden) confirm arrangements for plenary #17.
 

13.3 January, 2005, ?? (Plenary #18)

 

Plenary 18 will be hosted by Freedom Scientific, on January 17-18, 2005, at the Radison hotel in St. Petersburg, Fl.

ACTION ITEM (Hofstader) confirm arrangements for plenary #18.
 

13.4 March or April 2005, ?? (Plenary #19).

 

Plenary 19 will be at ITI in DC (open dates around March, 2005).
 

13.5 July, 2005, Madison, WI, (Plenary #20) Joint with ISO/IEC JTC1 SC35.

 

Plenary 20 will be on July 1-2, 2005, at Trace, in Madison, WI.
 

13.6 October, 2005, ?? (Plenary #21)

Plenary 21, will be at Wireless RERC, in Atlanta, GA (open dates around October 2005)
 

14. Summary of Action Items.

Ref:

V2 ACTION ITEMS
< http://www.itl.nist.gov/twiki/bin/view/NCITSV2/ActionItems >

 

The new action items from this plenary are as follows:

 

ACTION ITEM (LaPlant Vanderheiden Zimmermann) Look into the concerns over the approval of a V2 chair and also seek guidance from INCITS leadership regarding V2 participation with SC 35.

 

ACTION ITEM (Zimmermann) communicate to INCITS that V2 withdraws request to be U.S. TAG for all SC35 working groups.

 

ACTION ITEM (LaPlant Zimmermann) talk to Yves to explain what is going on

 

ACTION ITEM (Vanderheiden) prepare press releases for each of the 5 projects.

 

ACTION ITEM (Vanderheiden) confirm arrangements for plenary #17.

 

ACTION ITEM (Hofstader) confirm arrangements for plenary #18.

 

15. Adjournment

 

V2 plenary 15 adjourned March 16, 2004 at 5:05 PM (PT).

 

 

ATTACHMENTS:

Final agenda for plenary #15 of V2, 3/15-16/2004

V2/04-0033 Managers Conference Call notes from 30OCT2003 to 26FEB2004