INCITS/V2 Technical Committee
Information Technology Access Interfaces
July 9, 2004
Reply to: Joe Roeder, V2
Secretary
Email: jroeder@nib.org
DOC: V2/04-0077
MINUTES of INCITS V2 PLENARY MEETING #16
Meeting Location: This meeting was hosted by the National Institute of Standards and Technology, Gaithersburg, Maryland.
Meeting Dates:
1. Call to Order.
Gregg Vanderheiden, V2 Acting Chair, called the meeting to order and welcomed the members and guests.
2. Introduction of attendees.
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V2 members
A quorum exists and 7 member organizations are represented.
Observers and guests
3. Approval of the Agenda.
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The following modifications were proposed for the agenda:
The chair asked for approval of the modified agenda with the proviso that anchors for the time of the presentations may be changed. The agenda as revised was approved unanimously. See attachment, "Final agenda for plenary #16 of V2, 6/14-15/2004".
4. Approval of the Minutes for plenary meeting #13 and #15
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Roeder said these minutes are not done and will be available by the next plenary.
5. Review of action items
The active Action Items list is now on the "V2/SD-03: V2 ACTION ITEMS" page on Twiki at <http://www.itl.nist.gov/twiki/bin/view/NCITSV2/ActionItems>.
This is a password protected areas for V2 members only.
The reviewed and updated action items for this plenary are captured from Twiki and are shown in the attached "P16ReviewedActionItems.htm".
6. Administrative Reports.
6.1 Officer Remarks.
6.1.1 Chair.
Vanderheided said he drafted a letter to the INCITS executive board about approving a chair for V2. He will circulate the letter to V2 members for comments before sending.
6.1.2 Vice Chair.
No remarks.
6.1.3 International Representative.
No remarks.
6.1.4 Secretary
Roeder noted the review of action items was improved by using TWiki. He will propose to V2C that other administrative documents, such as the agenda for future plenary meetings, also be put on V2.
Sajka asked about the procedure for changing a delegate. She will have a notification letter from AFB sent to the acting chair.
6.2 Roll Call of Members in Jeopardy Due to Failure to Attend Meetings.
Warning letters were not sent out so the role was not called.
6.3 New member recruiting.
This is covered in the report under agenda item 9.2.6 V2P - Promotion.
6.4 INCITS Training.
Vanderheiden was unable to attend the last INCITS officer's training. He is awaiting a response from INCITS to arrange the next opportunity.
7. U.S. TAG to ISO/IEC JTC 1 SC 35 User Interfaces Sub Committee
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VIEW slides of IR report at plenary #16
7.1 U.S. TAG to ISO/IEC JTC 1 SC35 HOD Report
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Zimmermann posted his head of delegation report on the V2SC35 reflector and invited comments. He will submit this report to INCITS after this plenary meeting.
VIEW HOD report on SC35 meeting in Tokyo- at plenary #16
7.1.1 U.S. Member Body Action Items from SC 35 Resolutions (03/12/05)
VIEW HOD report attachment: SC35N0655R Final Resolutions Tokyo 2004
An ad hoc meeting organized by SC36 will be held on July 12-13, 2004, in Washington, DC, to work on the notion of "accommodation informationz. In Tokyo, SC35 passed a resolution requesting the US National Body to prepare a position statement (on accessibility issues), subject to SC35 comment, and to present this paper to the ad hoc meeting on behalf of SC35.
There was discussion on whether V2 should be prepareing a position paper on behalf of SC35 and whether someone from V2 should be representing SC35 at the "accommodation information" meeting in DC. Zimmerman will seek INCITS view on this.
ACTION ITEM (Zimmermann) Find out the view of INCITS on the roles V2 is asked to assume on behalf of SC35 (RE: Final Resolutions Tokyo 2004).
Gilman had prepared a draft paper pursuant to the SC35 resolution. This will be modified to make clear it is not a position paper and will be offered informally as some suggested talking points.
A concern was raised about using the term "URC" to reference the ISO standard. Vanderheiden suggested "AIP" (for Alternate Interface Protocol" would be better for the family of V2 standards. The V2 URC standard is one AIP case and some of the other V2 standards will be applicable to the URC case as well as to other cases that V2 wants to develop with future projects, which is why V2 divided its original project into 5 separate projects.
Zimmermann said URC has already gained acceptance and the 5 V2 standards fit into a multi-part ISO standard. Future revisions to add more parts may give the impression that the original standard was incomplete. Any new use case standard may require a new NP.
Vanderheiden suggested future ISO projects could define other use case frameworks and incorporate by reference parts of the other ISO standard. After more discussion Vanderheiden asked if there were any objections to using the term "URC" to refer to the ISO standard and there were no objections.
7.2 ISO/IEC JTC 1 SC36 Information Technology for Learning, Education, and Training
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No report.
7.4 ISO TC 154 (Metadata) & ISO TC 159 (Ergonomics
No report.
8. Review of Related Activities
8.1 Web Accessibility Initiative.
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No significant items reported.
8.3 Universal Plug and Play Forum.
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See agenda item 9.2.3 V2I - Implementation.
8.4 Other.
8.4.1 Metadata.
8.4.1.1 Dublin Core.
No report.
8.4.1.2 INCITS L8 Metadata.
No report.
8.4.2 XForms.
There was discussion on how to harmonize Xforms and V2. Vanderheiden suggested having a joint telecom with the goal of V2-Xform convergence. Sajka will contact T. V. Raman for suggestions on who from Xforms to invite.
ACTION ITEM (Sajka) reply to T V Raman and find out who else from Xforms should be invited.
V2A will follow up with planning and then schedule a summit meeting with the Xforms group.
ACTION ITEM (Trewin) take the lead on communications with TV raman.
The following are some highlights of Zimmermann's discussion of the contacts made with outside experts and other groups.
Zimmermann and others submitted a paper for a UIXML workshop organized by Marc Abrams, Jean Vanderdonckt, Kris Luyten and Quentin Limbourg with the UIML group of OASIS. As a follow up Zimmermann sent to the workshop organizers the link to the draft V2 documents. Abrams responded with interest and said the link would be forwarded to the OASIS group. The UIML group is preparing a book on developing user interfaces with XML and will be inviting V2 to make a contribution. This is an item for V2P.
Zimmermann said Mark Walker, who heads the remote IO working group of the UP&P Forum, thought UP&P is not the right place for V2 to do "research work". He indicated Intel might be interested in the work of V2 and Zimmermann will follow this up.
Zimmermann sent the draft documents to John Adams of Motorola. He needs to follow up with Phillips and Vanderheiden needs to follow up with Panasonic and Samsung. Zimmermann suggested a dissemination list be created on Twiki.
There was discussion on JINI and other network technologies. Zimmerman said using JAVA and JINI for prototypes is straightforward but recommended against doing a guideline for JINI unless there is a specific demand for it.
8.4.3 Smart Space.
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Roucoux reported on the NIST Smart Space Prototype.
VIEW slides of NIST Smart Space Prototype report at plenary #16
Following the report Roucoux demonstrated the NIST prototype.
8.4.4 INCITS M1, T4, B10.
No report.
9. Presentations.
9.1 Technical presentations.
Zimmermann demonstrated a new V2 Simulation Environment tool developed by the Trace Center to allow hands-on exploration of the capabilities of the V2 draft standards. The user can launch one or more targets to simulate house appliances and control them in real time with a simulated URC (Universal Remote Console). One or more URCs can also be launched to demostrate sharing of target controls.
Trace will host the V2 Simulation Environment tool on a public web site. This will help promote the V2 standards to potential implementers.
9.2 Ad hoc task group reports.
9.2.1 V2A - AIAP-URC Editing.
Trewin said V2A has not made any technical changes to the documents. Twiki pages have been set up to collect the public review comments and the pre-public review comments. What to do with the pre-public review comments was discussed and Zimmermann said he will go back to those commenters to ask if they want their comments on the record.
ACTION ITEM (Zimmermann) go back to pre-public review commenters to ask if they want comments on the record.
Zimmermann asked if we can modify the draft standards without a formal comment. Vanderheiden noted that a V2 member could make comments but that modifications should not be made to the draft standards unless in response to formal comments. He added that this probably applies to technical comments but not to editorial comments.
Gilman said we should have log numbers to track each of the public review comments. The public review ends July 19,2004.
9.2.3 V2I - Implementation
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Zimmermann reported on the activities of V2I.
VIEW slides of V2I report at plenary #16
ACTION ITEM (Sheppard) put on the NIST FTP site the whitepaper and the Power Point presentation from Slovenia Telecom.
9.2.4 V2M - Metadata.
No report.
9.2.5 V2S - Security.
Vanderheiden said we need a white paper on security. Zimmermann said it seems to be accepted that we cannot define a security architecture because we do not specify an implementation architecture. However a white paper that discusses on a general level the security and privacy threats with using a URC would be useful. A document or apendix could also be developed for each implementation guideline that recommends the mechanisms for different circumstances to use with the URC framework to ensure privacy and security.
Vanderheiden suggested a working paper on Twiki instead of a white paper. Gilman said we should still have a security paragraph in a top level white paper that promotes V2. Zimmermann suggested an FAQ on Twiki.
Gilman said most of the questions will come right after the public review period and a FAQ on Twiki is a starting point for collecting things. However, the FAQ is not a good working environment for understanding how security works. To get credible answers we need more effort in implementations.
9.2.6 V2P - Promotion
There was some discussion with Virginia Williams about ways of linking to the Consumer Electronics Association (CEA) and other activities to help promote V2. Questions were raised about where to find the draft documents, where to send comments, what format should be used for the comments and whether comments should be sent in individually or as a batch.
Williams provided information about standards from CEA r7.5 that may be complimentary with V2 and invited comments. CEA-2027 [A User Interface for Home Networks Using Web-based Protocols] has been forwarded to V2 and Williams will have CEA-931 [Remote Control Command Pass-through Standard for Home Networking] sent to V2.
Zimmermann asked if CEA has standards for competing or overlapping technologies. Williams said CEA encourages their groups to have standards that coexist and converge but that is not always ppossible. The market place will select the mor popular method and CEA works hard to avoid compatibility conflicts that cause interference.
Williams also recommended another reference, the CEA White paper, Power Management for A/V Network-Capable Devices [note, a link for this paper can be found at <http://www.ce.org/publications/books_references/>]
10. Discussion of tasks and priorities.
10.1 Working Sessions.
See agenda item 11.1 Future directions.
11. Pending Items.
11.1 Future directions
There was extensive brainstorming on ideas to support and promote the V2 standards. V2P will try to developed these into white papers possibly along the areas of marketing, technical summary, implementations and technology comparison.
Vanderheiden said we should also try to recruit new members, especially 1 or 2 more from the electronics industry.
ACTION ITEM (Vanderheiden) follow up with Jack at Samsung.
ACTION ITEM (Vanderheiden) follow up with Panasonic.
ACTION ITEM (Zimmermann) follow up with phillips.
ACTION ITEM (Zimmermann) follow up with Motorola.
ACTION ITEM (Zimmermann) follow up with Siemens.
ACTION ITEM (Price) follow up with Scientific Atlanta.
ACTION ITEM (Trewin) contact Virginia Williams to see if CEA has someone interested in Xforms.
11.2 V2 Web Site
The V2Access.org site has many incomplete pages. This site will be taken off line and visitors will be forwarded to the V2 area on the INCITS site.
The structure of the V2 home page is set by INCITS but V2 has control of the design and content over the rest of the V2 pages at INCITS. V2P will work on improvements to the INCITS site.
LaPlant and Trewin will design a format guide for the comments. This, along with instructions on how to submit comments to INCITS will be put on a web page linked from the V2 working web page.
ACTION ITEM (LaPlant, Trewin) create a web form on how to obtain the draft standard for comments.
12. New Items.
12.1 Annual report
The annual report is not ready. Vanderheiden will ask for a submission delay to INCITS.
12.2 Letter to Incits
Vanderheiden drafted a letter to INCITS executive board regarding the delay in approving a chair for V2. Trewin and others proposed some changes and improvements.
MOTION (Sajka, Price) V2 gives approval for Vanderheiden to send INCITS the letter regarding the delay of approval for a V2 Chair, with the additions by Trewin and any other edits that do not substantially change the content.
12.3 Ad hocs
MOTION (Sheppard, Price) to reconstitute V2A- Editing, with Trewin as chair, to look at the public comments and Xforms.
The motion passed by unanimous consent.
MOTION (Sajka, Price) to reconstitute V2I- Implementation, with Zimmermann as chair, to further develop the UP&P guidelines, the connections with UP&P, the incorporation of UP&P in the Trace prototype demo and develop more prototype demos.
The motion passed by unanimous consent.
V2S- security will not be reconstituted until the next plenary. Vanderheiden asked that bullets on security issues be collected on a bulletin board.
ACTION ITEM (LaPlant) set up a Twiki page to collect bullets on security issues.
MOTION (Trewin, Sheppard) to reconstitute V2P- promotion, with Vanderheiden as chair, to work on marketing, technical and implementation white papers, to think about competetive [ ...] future, to address membership and to coordinate communications with companies.
The motion passed by unanimous consent.
MOTION (Trewin, Price) to reconstitute V2E, with Trewin as chair, to coordinate with the ANSI editors and to discuss and make editorial changes to the V2 standards documents.
The motion passed by unanimous consent.
MOTION (Price, Sajka) to reconstitute V2C, with LaPlant as chair, with powers to make decisions for the plenary between plenary #16 and plenary #17.
The motion passed by unanimous consent.
13. Future Meeting.
13.1 October 4-5, 2004, Trace, Madison, WI (Plenary #17)
No updates.
13.2 January 17-18, 2005, Freedom Scientific, St. Petersburg, FL (Plenary #18)
ACTION ITEM (ROEDER) , send email reminder to Hofstader that we need details on venue for plenary #18.
13.3 March or April 2005, ITI, Washington, DC (Plenary #19)
ACTION ITEM (LaPlant, Vanderheiden) follow up in August with ITI about plenary #19.
13.4 July 1-2, 2005, Trace, Madison, WI, (Plenary #20) Joint with ISO/IEC JTC1 SC35
The above date is in error. The correct date is July 11-12, 2005.
13.5 October ??, 2005, Wireless RERC, Atlanta, GA(Plenary #21)
No updates.
14. Summary of Action Items
Ref:
V2/SD-03 - V2 ACTION ITEMS
<http://www.itl.nist.gov/twiki/bin/view/NCITSV2/ActionItems>
The summary of action items current at the end of this plenary as captured from Twiki are shown in the attached "P16SummaryOfActionItems.htm".
15. Adjournment
V2 Plenary #16 meeting adjourned at 4:20 PM (ET).
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